How can artists and managers use all the streaming and touring information to plan their markets and concerts better? Rossanna and Efrain from Cayo5 joined us to talk about how their are working to help artists manage disparate data sets to make decisions about where...
Innovating Music
Innovating Music, hosted by Dr. Gigi Johnson, has spent years delving into the profound changes shaping the music industry from 2016 to 2023. We’ve explored how technology and social shifts impact music lives, collaborations, and distribution.
For anyone interested in music industry careers and understanding change our archive offers invaluable insights, especially regarding major streaming platforms like Spotify and Apple Music.
Discover:
- How artists grow their careers by engaging with the marketplace and distributing music worldwide, including insights into balancing passion with business.
- The critical role of playlist curation (both human-curated and algorithmic) in music discovery and promotion on platforms like Spotify and Apple Music, and how to gain traction.
- The use of data from Spotify for Artists, Apple for Artists, and other services to understand listeners and drive strategy, emphasizing the value of transparency in where content travels online.
- Discussions on monetization, licensing, and managing intellectual property in the evolving streaming era, including new approaches to getting money to artists.
- Insights into how companies are tackling challenges like messy music data and streaming manipulation using AI and blockchain, and building platforms for artists to showcase creativity without licensing complexities.
- The evolution of platforms, from early streaming companies and iTunes to the rise of new content formats like short-form video and the creation of new genres. The podcast also covers how Spotify has impacted the industry.
While the Innovating Music podcast is currently on hiatus, we invite you to dig through our extensive archive to gain a deeper understanding of the music industry’s past and present. Our episodes capture the insights of the main professionals helping steer and make sense of these transformative changes.
Interested in continuing to explore these themes of music industry careers and innovation? We invite you to explore Rethink Next programs and events for future opportunities and conversations.
Your Host: Dr. Gigi Johnson
Dr. Gigi Johnson designs futures programs that help creators and organizations navigate AI-driven change. Through Rethink Next, she builds experiences and labs that blend systems thinking, creative practice, and agentic AI. She ran the UCLA Center for Music Innovation and co-founded the global virtual conference series Amplify Music. Earlier, she produced media foresight programs while teaching MBAs and executives at UCLA Anderson, after financing media-sector M&A at Bank of America.

Episodes
An Artist from Thin Air Artist as Code
Elodie, Paco, and the team at Neweb Labs in Montreal have created Maya Kodes -- from code. She's not just a new girl group -- she is a new girl. Maya is a fully scripted and created hologram in performance, based on a set of technology used to bring her to live...
Love, Passion, and Hard Work
This episode lends more philosophically humanist than some of our more technical sessions. David Hernandez of Colonize Media preaches "love, passion, and hard work" in an online video and data-driven marketing world. In a world of tranformative tools and distribution...
The Challenge of Unasked Questions
Refik drives new combinations of music, architecture, technology, and design forward, always asking "unasked questions." In this podcast, he discusses many of his projects, where he is exploring "alternative reality . . how to live without bias in our reality." He...
Combining Unrelated Ideas as Music Innovation
Dmitri Vietze, CEO of Rock Paper Scissors and StoryAmp, joins us to share stories of how new combinations of unrelated ideas create innovation in music. Our conversation ranges from his own background in activism, ways to unlock new businesses, the slow/fast dynamics...
Solving Intractable Problems
Matt, founder of MetaPop, shares his perspectives on innovation as solving intractable problems, versus creative disruption. Guest: Matt Adell, MetaPop, Native Instruments Matt is Founder & CEO of MetaPop, and now is head of digital for Native Instruments. Previously,...
Life as a Data Nerd Dancing with Music Data
Dae brings us his adventures from the start-up world. He shares his observations from living as a self-described "data nerd" while creating new business solutions in music tech as a "non-tech person." He talkes at length about data and issues like "choreography"...
Transforming Music through Data
Alex White has put together puzzle pieces to connect music and data, building Next Big Sound over the past six years and selling it to Pandora. He shared similarities between business-to-business (B2B) sales in music and other industries. He also shared what he sees...
Beyond Vinyl Ceremony and Next Tech with Beatie Wolfe
Singer-songwriter Beatie Wolfe is redefining music’s role in the digital age. Blending storytelling, creative technology, and ritual, Wolfe has pioneered projects like the world’s first 3D interactive album app, an NFC-enabled card deck, and a “musical jacket” woven...